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UO in Review -- 3 Nov 2006 Wilki Becomes Dev, No Longer Community Coordinator UO Week in Review--29 September 2006 Server Maintenance UO Week (or thereabouts) in Review--16 Sept 2006 Unavailble at this time. April 2002 News: ^ top-OOOOH! [Nieves] April 29 - 8:09 PM EDT Ah Yes! You too can have your very own webspace for your guild!!!!! Come here. Yes. Come closer. Let me show you something. See this? Do a comparison. Also, does anyone that's been around since before UO:R remember the Clean Up Brittania Ticket Program and why it was created? It was created to lower the item count in UO and bring the lag down. Has anyone noticed how laggy UO has gotten lately? Maybe it's not a buggy client, poor ISPs, slow computers or servers, or the other fucking magical things that can happen in our Computer World. Maybe it's the item count! I mean, it has gone up in the last year right? It's all about 'content'. And OSI sure has put out a lot of content in the last year. Mhmm...they sure have. Maybe it's time to revive the ticket program? Maybe? Nah. That would take coding. And we know how hard it is to code stuff. Hasta. ^ top-From the Vet's Point of View [LadyGrania] April 29 - 10:48 AM EDT The following is a conversation Nieves and I had. I thought it rather interesting and decided to post it here. Create a new thread in the forum and tell me what you think. OSI employees are welcome to respond as well. Nieves:Is it me or is UO's official website shitty now? Grania: it's shitty. worse than shitty. Nieves: : nod : And they don't give a shit huH? Grania: they get our $10/mo per acct... why should they? Nieves: Because it's the right thing to do? You realize nothing from the Faire has been talked about by OSI? Grania: at this point it's just a business... if they gave a shit about the game they'd do something more to keep the vets happy and playing rather than just giving them eye candy... the game is gone.. it's now about making the mass majority as relatively happy as possible to keep the almighty dollar coming in. Nieves: Yeah. And they are sucking even at that. Grania: it's my opinion. fortunately.. for the most part... I don't let the shit affect me.. I still basically play the same way I always have. but I'm rather ambivalent about most things anyway.. but I can see what's happening.. ambivalence doesn't make one blind. Nieves: True. ::sighs:: The only one that consistantly answers my emails anymore is Sannio. And I did not like his writing style at first. Cynthe will write back or reply to my IMs when she feels like it or just to say: "oh, I didn't see this". Kerowyn doesn't even write like she used too. Adrick was answering at first, then he just went into h iding. I am like: "wtf?" Hanse will every once in awhile. But even that's sporadic. Whatever. Grania: I think you should post our conversation on the front page. Nieves: Why me? Why not you? :) And so there you have it. A conversation between veteran UO players. Nieves has played a little over 3 years. I have played a little under 4. What happened? What happened to our beloved UO? Newbies? Indifference to the players? Greed? IMHO: all of the above. Love ya! ^ top-Even OSI Reps Macro and Surf At The Same Time [Nieves] April 29 - 8:40 AM EDT In reply to: I am sitting here fishing and my internet explorer is open about halfway so I can see if i get a serpie or some pirate comes to try and kill me. I hit my macro and come over here for about 4 minutes and then back to uo. Wash Rinse and Repeat. Just wondering how many others do this. ------------ *Raises hand* At work I get paid to cruise the boards (and don't play UO), but at home I'm just a UO AND a message board addict... ****************************** Greywolfe (Online Community Coordinator) Aren't you glad I am here to report bullshit like this? Hasta. ^ top-Dungeon Siege [Nieves] April 28 - 11:32 PM EDT I was lucky enough to have a friend that would lend me the game. This game is amazing. Get it. Now. UO is unique in that you build characters by building up their skills and then build their stats. You can customize that character however you wish. Well, Dungeon Siege uses a similar model, except, you gain levels in the weapons and magic you use. Not in a specific weapon type (like macing, swords, etc.). For instance, if I use a mace, I gain points that go into gaining the next level of mastery in the melee skill, not macing. And using something like archery will build my dexterity (there are 3 different stats, dexterity, intelligence, and strength). It will also build stats over time with use of all skills. It's just slower. I.E.- Melee will build strength primarily, but will build dexterity secondarily. If that makes sense. The game is also like Diablo in it's style of play and in the number of items you can get. The difference is there is REAL strategy in playing it. If you do NOT use your head instead of charging in, you will fucking die. Hell, a pack of wolves will kick your ass. I found myself having to back up, regroup, find a spot where I can attack from and not die. And the terrain can be used to your advantage. There is one point where I was shooting down from a ledge to get at some bad guys. On top of that, you can have up to 8 characters. Sort of like Baldur's Gate and it's successors. So, what you are playing is a game that is sort of like UO in it's skill gain, has a play style similar to Diablo and Baldur's Gate. If I remember correctly, that's what some of you out there said they would want in a game. All the elements of those games in one kick ass title. Oh, and you can play it online with friends. Even Watts likes it. A couple of quotes: Players can customize their party to include up to eight characters. There are no rules or restrictions, and the player can have any combination of fighters, archers and magic users. Characters join your party as they journey throughout the world - some are hired, others are rescued, and some are brought back from beyond the grave. Lead your party into epic battles against a range of enemies - from marauding hordes to monsters of a scale never before seen in a fantasy role-playing game. OH, and you can take a pack mule with you to carry extra loot! OWN! If treasure is more your focus, grab a pack mule or two. Never again worry about passing on that armor you found because you didn't have enough space. Also, you can edit the game: The proprietary Siege Editor in Dungeon Siege gives you the freedom to rework nearly every aspect of the game, making Dungeon Siege not only a game, but also a role-playing platform for those who want to create their own characters, spells, dungeons and even entire worlds. You can post these user-created files to the Web, making them available for anyone to download and explore, or play as a multiplayer game. Buy it. You won't be disappointed. Hasta ^ top-Message From Lord Blackthorn [Nieves] April 28 - 11:17 PM EDT I was out hunting Betrayers when I managed to snag a book. The first time I have seen this book on any of the spawn. Is it a semi-rare? I don't know. Would be cool if it was. The book is a reddish hue and is 24 UO book pages long. Here is what the book has 'written' in it: Greetings to you, new member of the Trusted. You now read these words because you have been deemed worthy to join the ranks of Britannia's defenders. Some will call you a betrayer of mankind, I say they are misguided. I call you a defender for Sosaria needs saving from itself. The forces of order once ruled our world. Like a great darkness over our lives we lived under the oppressive watch of a king who dictated our actions and passed judgement on our character. He suppressed our way of life by denying our freedom and the ability to determine who we are and what we stand for. Even today in the absence of this man we still see the symbol of his tyranny, we watch his personal guards patrol the cities to intimidate us, and we feel his laws like a vice on our lives. You are here because you choose to be free. Like many Britannians you have felt the opression of one man's ideas weighing down upon you like chains. You have felt the embrace of fear, wondering if you face consequence for simply having ideas not in harmony with those forced upon us. You have seen men fight and die for the principles of a zealot and wondered, 'Who will fight for my principles should they be opposed?" You tire of living under the shadow of dreams that do not belong to you. And most of all, you have wondered what you can do to live free. Your journey to freedom begins here. I, like you, once desired my freedom from the limits placed on me. I watched in disgust as this world became engrossed with the preaching of virtue and none of the practice. I held my convictions in check, fearful of the reaction of men blinded by belief. I forced myself to hury the very ideology that made me an individual. I was fortunate that a being of unique power and unimaginable intelligence saw through to the true person I was, the person I was meant to be. Exodus found within me a man of free will, determination and incomprehension for the plight of oppression forced on so many Britannians. Exodus has also chosen you because of the strength of your character. Many of the men who were once my peers look upon me and see a betrayer of humanity. They claim my newfound form is unnatural and wong. Because they see the unknown in me, they show fear. They disapprove of my choices and in their ignorance see evil. Yet I hide my true self no longer from these men. My thoughts and my personal morality have been liberated in the face of the oppression that once consumed me. Where they see a man no longer human. I see a man that has not betrayed his humanity but has been freed from it. This is the power that has been granted to me by Exodus. I have been given my freedom. I have been released from my fears. Exodus will give you the power to conquer your fears as well. When your fear of this world is gone, then the world truly belongs to you in a way it never has before. You, trusted one, will soon be given a gift. Your body, like mine, will be enlightened and raised to a level no mortal can know. The power to control your own destiny will belong to you for the first time in your life. You will, at long last, be cleansed of fear. Together, with the power of Exodus behind us, we shall finally wage war on the oppression that once held us back from our full potential We shall claim this world, and reshape it in an image of freedom of all of us. Those who once told you who you are and how you should live will no longer stand in the way of your free will. Many say you will be adandoning your humanity but in truth, you will be more than human. You will be freed. Um. Yeah. BTW: The above is written word for word. Blackthorn should use a spellchecker. Hasta. ^ top-Harassment 101 [Nissa] April 27 - 3:30 PM EDT Well, sit down, pull up a chair, this is a long story. On Wednesday my husband calls me at work to tell me how he went to Jhelom pits with his character Falrinth to work on his anatomy. There was a guy there (Woody) who would poison every fighter that Falrinth was fighting. After a while, Falrinth got really sick of this and told Woody to stop. Which of course didn’t work. Before you know it, Falrinth got pissed, called Woody some names, who in turn, threatened to call a GM on Falrinth. My husband by this point was so pissed, told him to go ahead, then recalled out and logged out. A couple hours later, my husband goes to log back into the account and sure enough, the account was blocked. With a nice little message that says “This account has been blocked, for further information go to http://ultima-registration.com.” Let me tell you right now, that site does absolutely nothing to tell you what is going on with your account. I was able to verify that the email address was correct, but I didn’t receive any email. I was going to call OSI, but by this time it was 9:00 at night and I couldn’t reach anyone. At this point I was very frustrated. I didn’t know what is going on with the account. I didn’t know if the account was banned permanently, or just a couple of days or what was going on at this point. I had no idea what to do or who to contact to find out what I could do. Thankfully Nieves was on and I was able to ICQ him and he pretty much calmed me down. I was also tense because my husband felt terrible. This account is our main account. It holds the tower that we own in Trammel. It has my 7x provoker (Nissa) and his 6x tamer on it. He thought he lost it for us and he really just felt badly for me. By the time I got to work the next morning, there was an email there from OSI: Service Suspended 72 Hours For Ultima Online Account: xxxxxxxxx Your Ultima Online account has been suspended from the Ultima Online service for 72 hours due to the following violation of the Rules of Conduct. Violation: Harassment Shard: Chesapeake Character: Falrinth Log of incident: (Wed Apr 24 20:58:44 GMT 2002)(Falrinth): woody poison ur mother (Wed Apr 24 20:58:52 GMT 2002)(Falrinth): queer (Wed Apr 24 20:58:58 GMT 2002)(Woody): plz stop (Wed Apr 24 20:59:03 GMT 2002)(Woody): harrassing me (Wed Apr 24 20:59:08 GMT 2002)(Falrinth): fu (Wed Apr 24 20:59:33 GMT 2002)(Falrinth): punk (Wed Apr 24 20:59:40 GMT 2002)(Woody): stop (Wed Apr 24 20:59:44 GMT 2002)(Woody): harrassing me (Wed Apr 24 20:59:50 GMT 2002)(Falrinth): think i know ur mom (Wed Apr 24 20:59:54 GMT 2002)(Woody): or i will page a game master (Wed Apr 24 21:00:00 GMT 2002)(Falrinth): go ahead (Wed Apr 24 21:00:11 GMT 2002)(Falrinth): newb (Wed Apr 24 21:00:11 GMT 2002)(Woody): if you insist on harrassing me i will (Wed Apr 24 21:00:13 GMT 2002)(Woody): ... (Wed Apr 24 21:00:18 GMT 2002)(Falrinth): do it (Wed Apr 24 21:00:21 GMT 2002)(Falrinth): punk (Wed Apr 24 21:00:22 GMT 2002)(Woody): that offends me (Wed Apr 24 21:00:29 GMT 2002)(Woody): stop calling me a punk (Wed Apr 24 21:00:33 GMT 2002)(Woody): i dont like it (Wed Apr 24 21:00:35 GMT 2002)(Falrinth): punk (Wed Apr 24 21:00:37 GMT 2002)(Falrinth): punk (Wed Apr 24 21:00:38 GMT 2002)(Falrinth): punk (Wed Apr 24 21:00:38 GMT 2002)(Woody): it bothers (Wed Apr 24 21:00:38 GMT 2002)(Woody): me (Wed Apr 24 21:00:38 GMT 2002)(Falrinth): punk (Wed Apr 24 21:00:39 GMT 2002)(Falrinth): punk (Wed Apr 24 21:00:40 GMT 2002)(Falrinth): punk (Wed Apr 24 21:00:41 GMT 2002)(Woody): plz stop (Wed Apr 24 21:00:41 GMT 2002)(Falrinth): punk (Wed Apr 24 21:00:42 GMT 2002)(Falrinth): punk (Wed Apr 24 21:00:47 GMT 2002)(Falrinth): retard (Wed Apr 24 21:00:51 GMT 2002)(Woody): i am paging a game master (Wed Apr 24 21:00:59 GMT 2002)(Falrinth): page ur mom (Wed Apr 24 21:01:06 GMT 2002)(Falrinth): lil girl Rules of Conduct: 1) You may not harass, threaten, embarrass or cause distress, unwanted attention or discomfort to another player. The Rules of Conduct clearly defines that this behavior and activity is not permitted on the Ultima Online service. We have further clarified this in the harassment policy at http://www.uo.com/harass.html, stating that it is the goal of Origin Systems and Electronic Arts to build a strong community that offers a comfortable atmosphere for all of our players. This sort of behavior does not have a place in our communities, and simply will not be tolerated. Simply put, it is not legal to ruin the fun of others in Ultima Online. Especially when that is the sole intent of interacting with particular groups or individuals. Please understand that any additional violations could and likely will lead to the immediate termination of this Ultima Online account. If you feel that this suspension is unwarranted, or if you wish to dispute the claims of this email, we ask that you please visit the Account Administration site at http://accountadmin.custhelp.com so that they can review any possible discrepancies of this event. The Account Admin team is also available at that site should you have any general questions or concerns about the rule or its enforcement in the game, as we feel it is important to understand the rule completely before returning to the game world. Now, I will be the first to admit, my husband lost his temper and wasn’t the nicest person in the world. But in his defense, Woody purposely went out of his way to aggravate him by poisoning that stuff he was fighting. He was grief playing just to be a pain in the ass. While I could live with the 3-day suspension from UO, I was concerned about the mark that this account would receive. So, I clicked on the link to Account Admin and submitted an email to them. I actually had to send 2 because the first time I wasn’t logged into the Account Admin and I wasn’t sure if it got sent properly. My e-mail is as follows: Earlier I sent an e-mail regarding the suspension on my account. I didn't log into the Account Admin site when I sent it and I am not sure if it was received properly. I would really like the opportunity to speak with someone regarding this suspension to at least be able to tell my side of what happened so that I can fight for my rights. The e-mail was as follows: ------------------------------- My account was suspended for harassment. I would like to talk to someone about this harassment. I feel that the harassment was actually done to me, but the log does not show the full story. I pride myself on being a long time member of UO and have never done anything in game to harass other people. This individual came to Jhelom pits and followed Falrinth around and poisoned everything he fought. When Woody was asked to stop, he continued. In the email I received from OSI, it clearly states: "Simply put, it is not legal to ruin the fun of others in Ultima Online. Especially when that is the sole intent of interacting with particular groups or individuals." Woody's sole intent was to ruin Falrinth's play. There were plenty of fighters in the pits to poison. Why did Woody poison the ones that Falrinth fought? Falrinth's respond to this individual was based solely on frustration of this person grief playing and was not intended to be harassment. This account is over 4 years old. I pride myself on being a great veteran. I help players whenever possible. A couple of years ago I became a 3rd party broker that built a great reputation to help people because I was so sick and tired of hearing about people getting scammed. I participate in the UO Boards. I go on the test center to help OSI test upgrades. I am an updater of UOPG and see my participation there as a way to help others in this game. I would never harass or say anything to anyone in real life that would be construed as harassment and I see UO as an extension of that. I take pride in my actions in game and in RL. I would really like to speak to someone regarding this matter. It upsets me that someone could get this account banned so easily just showing one side of the event. My phone number is 201-xxx-xxxx or please contact via e-mail and let me know who I should contact to discuss this further. Thank you, --------------------------------- My main concern is not so much the suspension (I can go 3 days without playing UO), but the mark that my account will receive for this. In no way was harassment intended and the reactions were only because of the grief playing tactics of the other person involved in this matter. Please let me know whom I can speak to about this please. Thank you again, I felt that I needed to be able to explain our side of the story. Not everything is so black and white and Woody was as much to fault as my husband. By the end of the day Thursday, I received this email from Account Admin Your question has been received. You should expect a response from us within 3 business days. Question Reference #xxxxxxxxx --------------------------------------------------------------- Summary: Earlier I sent an e-mail regarding the suspension on my account. I didn't log... Product: Ultima Online Category: Suspensions and Terminations Contact Information: nissa@uopowergamers.com Date Created: 04/25/2002 01:32 PM Last Updated: 04/25/2002 01:32 PM Status: Unresolved In the meantime, Nieves was kind enough to forward my email to William Leverett, an account rep for EA. Nieves simply asked him to look over this incident and to let him know that there are individuals out there that enjoy getting accounts banned. That they purposely try to goat people into this situation. But my husband didn’t know that. He didn’t know that when someone says, “Please stop harassing me, that offends me” that the guy is setting you right up for a ban. On Friday afternoon, I received the following email from William Leverett: Please bear in mind I only have the text logs of this particular situation, and not being present, I cannot know with absolute conviction what was happening or what any particular individual's motives were. I am only able to look at this from a factual perspective. I checked about 40 minutes of logs out of the suspected griefer, trying to see what he was up to. I can't say that he was doing anything in this particular situation that was causing problems. It appears that he was with a bunch of others in the area, all of whom were training off of the Jhelom fighters. He was doing what everyone else was doing and not harassing at all (at least not during this time). Because there were no calls made against this person, he wasn't doing anything out of the ordinary, and requested several times that he not be called names, the continued conflict was defined "harassment". As far as the mark being on the account, I'm afraid that's the nature of standardized rules and policies applying to all players in all situations. If a rule/policy is broken, then the penalty is enforced - there are no judgments if there is a violation. Now... Having said all of that, this is an extremely minor incident in the grand scheme of things. No curse words were used, the situation was simply one of a lot of people in a cramped area (which ultimately will always cause some friction sooner or later), and the mark is the only one on an account with about 9000 hours played. The account is not on a watch list, it's not up for termination by any means, and this will probably be the last anyone here ever thinks about it. I would not worry about it at all. There certainly are a number of people out there who willingly try to get others terminated. If you think that is the case, I recommend shooting off a harassment call to the GMs. They may appear to blow you off, but they'll be aware of the situation, watch what is going on, and have a log generated by that call that allows them to review the situation in its entirety. Hope this helps. Please let me know if I can do anything else or provide any more info. William Leverett Origin Systems, Inc. My response to him: Mr. Leverett, Thank you very much for taking the time to look into this situation. Your assurances that this will not really be a big problem on this account really eases my mind. As you can see by my e-mails, I take pride in this account as well as the actions of my husband and myself in this game. We both go out of our way to help others in this game and would never intentionally harass anyone. While this person verbally did not do anything wrong in the game, his actions do indicate he was saying and doing all the right things to get the account in trouble. That being said, my husband and I both have learned a valuable lesson and in the future will make sure that we do not get caught up in something like this again. Again, thank you very much for taking the time to look into this. Well, I didn’t get the mark or suspension lifted, but I did feel a little better. Someone took the time to listen to my side, responded to me and made me feel that this was important to him and took the time to assure me that while my account did get the mark, it was not as bad as I imagined. I learned a couple of valuable lessons: 1. If someone is going out of their way to annoy you and saying the types of things that Woody said to my husband, walk away. If you feel the person is grief playing and trying to get you banned, page the GM as William Leverett explained. Maybe a GM won’t come, but they are probably watching. Do not let this person get you pissed. That is his intent. Ignore him. It just isn’t worth it. 2. I never thought that I would ever get a response from EA. I didn’t think anyone would give 2 hoots about this event and that I would walk away from this incident pissed at Woody and pissed at EA/OSI. While I am still pissed to hell about the barding nerfs, I can honestly say that as far as the customer service in this instance, it was very much appreciated. It may just be pixels, but my husband and I have over 9000 hours invested in those pixels. Mr. Leverett’s quick attention to this matter was greatly appreciated. Before I posted this story on UOPG, I asked William Leverett if I could use part or all of his email and his response to me: Of course - please feel free to post what you need to. Also, should you or anyone need anything, please feel free to mail me anytime. Try as I may, I can't guarantee I can resolve all problems, but I can at least pass it on to someone who can. :) His email is wleverett@ea.com. Less than 1 day left on the suspension. Time flies when you are having fun. ^ top-Banksitter pride! [FrozenFire] April 27 - 9:26 AM EDT Banksitters are coming out, and they are proud! Ive never understood them, whats so impressive about pimping Demon Bone and Glacials and whatever the latest cool outfit is? I mean a couple of days after they are introduced, they are standard attire, so whats so cool about them? And having the right mount counts double it seems. I damn well nearly hated ostards when they were released outside T2A, as everyone and their mother has them. The latest craze, of course, is the Dragon Scale armor and Swampis with the new barding. Cool. Nice. Neat. Really. . . *cough* Well bank sitter or not, I dont really care either way. They fail utterly to impress, but then they seldom bother me either. To each his own. Just read a trading thread about some green sandles and the seller couldnt post a screen shot of his sandals. So, to the poeple who wanted to see them, he posted this: Sorry cant provide a piccy.......but im a professional banksitter and am at Brit West bank very often...id be happy to show anyone there.......i sit there as Tyveris.... Not only are the bank sitters thinking of themselves as bank sitters, it seems that they take pride in it too. Heres a link for those that care: Professional banksitter thread Just thought that would bring a smile to some of you. Anyways, yes Im still around, but RL (read: Work) has been a bitch lately, add to that my periodic growing bored with UO. So, my relative low exposure to anything UO has been good for me. Besides, the only news coming now seems to be scenario related, which hasnt been all that impressive up till now. New armor, check. Orange Savages, check. Wait, Savages were more cool because they were tough on tamers. Dark people, check. I do like the Swamp Dragonlings (no REAL dragon should go down in a mana dump. . .these are wusses), because of the barding thing. As long as you actually use it that is. The seed thing could be cool, as players get to experiement and create new plants never before seem. Well see about that one when it hits us. Oh, and of course noone in QA noticed the damage bug, but hey Mongbats and Balrons doing the same damage seems normal, ummkay? So while not playing or posting, Ive been thinking some about UO all the same. As a direct result, Ill be posting a small rant about the true reason OSI came up with BODs. So all you Oliver Stone fans, look for an upcoming conspiracy theory! ^ top-Fear the 50X GM [Malis] April 26 - 7:27 PM EDT Some times you just have to say to yourself What The Shit Is This Did I Miss Something Malis Out ^ top-Just Cause It Looks Interesting [Nieves] April 26 - 11:36 AM EDT Are you the leader of a guild who’s looking to gain new members? If you are looking to expand your ranks, and are willing to help out new players, give us a shout and you could be featured in the new Guild Spotlight section in our next Voice of Britannia newsletter! Every month in the UO newsletter, we’ll be spotlighting three guilds, including quick descriptions of those guilds, as a way for new players to find friends and hunting partners. So if you’re the guildmaster of a currently recruiting guild, and you’re interested in welcoming those new to UO, send a short email to guildvoice@uo.com. - Guild’s name - Guild abbreviation - Home shard - Guild homepage (if any) and contact email - The direct link to your guild’s MyUO guild listing page - Your character name (as the guildmaster) - Your UO account name (please do NOT send your password!) - A brief (50 words or less) description of what your guild can offer to new members. Include any recurring scheduled guild meeting times in-game (be sure to specify the time zone), or the best methods a new player could use to find and join the guild. I would love to see Looter's, Inc. submission! Hasta. ^ top-What Good Is The Scale Armor Anyway? [Nieves] April 26 - 11:10 AM EDT Medwarrior Pros: With the 37-49 ac from the armor plus the Reactive Armor and Archprotection spells, can survive Lumberjacks. With the reduced damage from major spells like Explosion, Flamestrike, and Ebolt (depending on color): mage dumps are even easier to survive. Cons: Cost. An Ancient Smithing(ASH) hammer is practically required A +30 ASH is needed to even have a 50% chance at making exceptional leggings and tunic. Since they go for 2 million+ for 60 charges, each tunic and legging will go for 50k each at a minimium. Dex loss: With -19 dexloss, its to costly for those depending on speed. While a Greater Agility potion gives 20, many will decide that the dex loss is too much. Mages Pros: With the 37-49 ac from the armor plus the Reactive Armor and Archprotection spells, can survive Lumberjacks and other heavy hitting warrior templates. Bonus protection against certain spell types. Blue and white lowers damage against Ebolt, lighting and harm. Red and Yellow lowers damage against Explosion, Flamestrike and fireball. Black and Green lower damage taken from poison. Dexloss doesnt bother mages much since they arent as dependant on it as warrior types. A greater Agility potion quickly replaces the lost dex. Cons Blocks active meditation and lowers inate meditation. Big drawback for mages. Just as each color protects from a spell type, it also increase damage from another type. Blue and red are weak against poison, yellow and black are weak against electrical, and white and green are weak against fire. Cant cast protection (so Ive been told, havent tested) Cost Warriors Pros: Greater AC then with Plate armor with the added spell line protection. Cons: Dexloss slows down your swings and adds another second to bandage self timer. Not always possible to drink a GA pot if use 2 handed weapons or shield. Cost Inate Weakness to certain spell types All in all, imho, this armor is great for Medwarriors. Id also only use the blue and red armors since the poison weakness is easily overcome with a cure pot. -Grey Ghost. Interesting. Hasta. ^ top-You Gimp [Nieves] April 26 - 10:55 AM EDT Hi! People know me as the Secret Gimp, and though retired from a life of nefarious activity, I've been gathering information on some of the latest scams and exploits from various sources, and figured I'd share the information. These two scams/exploits are usually used to obtain for free a rare or expensive item. The first is something I call the "Fake dupe scam" Basically, the scammer approaches you (usually when you are selling a rare or expensive item) and offers to show you a method of duplicating the item so that he too may have one. This is a scam! It does not work! He simply has you make an arm/disarm UO macro, than using that macro (I won't go into details!) manages to get your item to appear under you, grabbing it and running off. Another, which is often mistaken for someone clicking YOUR side of the trade window, is something I call the "Overwieght pack scam". There are a few variations of this... But th latest goes as such: You are selling an item or rare when a newbie player runs up and asks you to hold a bag of items for him. Usually this contains junk or other worthless items, sch as fishsteaks or feathers, but it will always contain something stackable. Shortly after, someone will ask to see the item that you are selling in the trade window, after which he quickly closes the window and your item falls to the ground, to be snatched by the scammer and lost forever. What happened is that the newbie who gave you the bag of worthless items is the actual set up for this scam. Using the stackable item in the bag, they use an exploit causing the stackable item (usually fishsteaks) to become an amount higher and heavier than you can carry, right as you put the item in the trade window. Thus, being overweight, when the other player closes the window, your item goes to the ground instead of in your pack. If you need more information, contact me via my boards Thank you for the Information. Hasta. ^ top-Shambling Mound Cometh [Nieves] April 25 - 4:10 PM EDT From a BNN Story: Instead of the Juka that she had anticipated seeing, an indistinct shape shambled toward her. [...] It was difficult for her to tell where the beast stopped and the forest floor began, as if it were growing from the ground itself. It was as tall as an average-sized man, yet not like a man at all—and the breeze carried the stench of rotting vegetation over the three of them from its direction. [...] Aiella glanced over her shoulder to see if they’d left the one behind at least, only to find that now two were pursuing her, the new one smaller and more humanoid than the first. [...] “It was like fighting quicksilver… they never stopped growing,” he said in a soft voice, shot through with amazement. His eyes closed for a final time. [...] Between them, on the ground, were a few oddly shaped seed-like objects in strange bright colors. Curiously but with haste, Aiella scooped up a handful and put them in her pouch. She mounted Duke and trotted him in the direction of the moongate. As the horse’s hoof left the ground its print began to fill with murky water. A few moments later the ground began to shift as vines and grasses slowly congealed into a mass that throbbed faster and faster as it grew. Ok. Now Nieves is afraid. I had an 18th level Elven Bladesinger that wound up in that 20th Anniversay Dungeon Adventure TSR put out years ago. He wound up in a fight with Ice Trolls with black oozes at the end of their battle staves. My group survived but at the cost of my Elf's life. I don't like oozey things. Yuck. Hasta. ^ top-Betrayed [Nieves] April 25 - 8:08 AM EDT Welp, after getting my morning Blacksmithing Deed, I went to Yew with your favorite Treasure Hunter to check out week 2 of the current scenario. More monsters running around in a dazed stupor waiting for someone to tell them where the players are so they could kill them and earn some loot. Well, I told a Juggernaut that the Britain Bank is where all the good rare loot is, but he wasn't having it. Just started chasing me and beating me down with some fast whirlee thingie. Anyway... The Chaos Elite do indeed drop magic broadswords when they die. In fact, you can ID the weapon by bringing up their paper doll and just IDing their weapon. Very cool :) It will tell you if that guy is worth killing or if you should just move along. Well, give you a clue boys and girls? If you don't kill this one off with the durable ruin broadsword, you won't get another to spawn that will have a better weapon. The CE mounts were Swamp Dragons with the new barding on them. They looked VERY sweet. I saw a player riding a Swamp Dragon with what looked like Valorite Barding. Looked purty darn good on that tank. I asked him how the damage reduction was but he ran off after hitting 1/2 life from a Chaos Dragoon and 2 Juka Warriors. I guess that answered that question, eh? The CE casts spells, hits just as hard as the Dragoons, and can resist poisons, etc. They are just a tad bit harder to kill than Dragoons, but not 'that' bad. Oh, and they do cast spells. The highest spell I saw them cast was ebolt. The loot, as mentioned, was a gem, a magic broadsword, over 200 gold with a shadow scale thrown in. The first broadsword I looted was a surpassingly accurate power broadsword. Not bad, eh? I snagged a force one later. I also saw NPC Red Magi, Golems (RUN!), and Juggernauts and Betrayers. The Juggernauts were a bitch to kill at the Faire. They still are now. After casting Explosion+Ebolt on one and not seeing a speck of red on the life bar, I decided to leave him be. And this is with a character with GM magery and evaluate intelligence. Great. If you have ever cast spells at a Lich Lord, you will understand that the Juggernaut is not one to fuck with if you are a semi-pure mage. Get a tamer (blehfuckingdoo) and have Godzilla beat on it. I was told by a player that a Juggernaut's loot was around 500-600 gold and a gem. I saw the Betrayer and decided I wanted to try him out. I saw a player kill one and he told me the loot was around 300 gold. If you remember the blob from Marvel Comics you can get a picture of the Juggernaut. Just add a Big Wheel, a bunch of cybernetics and misc metal parts, and you get a complete picture. I managed to pull a Betrayer away from the mob of Jukas, Golems, and Chaos warriors (they are everywhere!). The Betrayer looks like Blackthorn on the UO:LBR Box. I let it get a tad too close and the Betrayer rewarded me with a Greater Poison hit. Erf. Luckily, I survived. One warrior kept trying to kill 'my' Betrayer while the Betrayer cast at me (I got hit with 3 flamestrikes) and I hid and watched him run away like a bitch after the Betrayer let him know who his daddy was. HAH! Served him right for taking Nievesy Pooh's spawn. The Betrayer also had decent resist but not as good as the Juggernaut's. After a few spells I had him down to 1/2 life, then I froze. I couldn't move or do anything. The Betrayer was 1/2 a screen from me and was closing. I grabbed my invisible cloak and threw it on my character's paperdoll hoping it would take (sometimes it works). I messaged a friend on ICQ and asked if Great Lakes or UO died. That's when I noticed my cable modem lights flashing. :| I decided to go ahead and take my morning shower. I didn't think it was worth cursing at my cable modem over losing a Power and a Force broadsword, a few hundred regs, a level 3 map (should've banked it thank you!), a few hundred gold, and misc other crap. To whomever looted a guy in red south of Yew. Enjoy. Who says Nieves never gives out presents? Hasta. ^ top-9point damage not as intended-Ignatz speaks [Kaara] April 24 - 11:38 AM EDT On the UO.com boards Ignatz commented to a poster about the 9 points of damage from the barded swampies. Ah okay. Swamp dragon barding is intended to reduce the amount of damage taken... yes... but it is supposed to reduce it by a percentage, not to a specific amount no matter what the attack. So it's partially a feature and partially broken. And completely fixed *grins*... hopefully. Ignatz Well all the folks who were getting excited can just..not get excited now. Would have been fun to see the fights over the Balrons! Barded Swamp Dragons are supposed to reduce the damage taken by 9%. That is not a whole hell of a lot. ^ top-So Who Needs Powerhour Anymore? [Nieves] April 24 - 9:11 AM EDT You got the Make Last Crafting Skill Gain Method now. How about the barding and the new Swampies? Let me ask you all something. You know the new dragon barding and the swampy will keep you from taking anything more than like 9 damage from the big monsters right? If true, and since Balrons and Ogre Lords give good melee gains, wouldn't it stand to reason you could arm up a newbie char with high stats and GM that char quick?? Think about that a while. And if anyone can test it out for me, email me. I would love to see the results. Hasta. ^ top-From The Great lakes Alliance Comes Scenario News [Nieves] April 23 - 11:56 PM EDT Tommorow with the week 2 publish we will get dragon barding which allows you to armor your swamp dragon. It takes 750 ingots and 75.2 (I believe) smithy to make. The barding will retain the color of the ingot used. The nice thing about is you only take 9 points of damage while riding your swamp dragon. That includes melee and magic damage, but that is only in PvM. So that means a mongbat will do 9 damage to you but that also means a Ancient Wyrm will do 9 damage to you. A warrior on Chespeake meleed a Ancient Wyrm to death naked. The armor does take damage though and currently there isnt a way to repair it. You can tell the shape of the armor by arms loring the swamp dragon. Any spell that is cast on you will do 9 damage, even magic arrow, harm, paralyze anything also fire breath will do 9 damage. If you are poisoned you will take 9 damage anytime poison takes effect. I believe the whole 9 damage deal though isnt intended but if it is it only leads me to believe something powerful is on the way, or this could be OSI's attempt at balancing PvM. Also the price of dragon barding on Chespeake is as follows Ingot Color Non-Excep Excep Iron 10k 20k Dull Copper 25k Shadow 30k Copper 35k Bronze 40k Gold 45k Agapite 50k Verite 60k Valorite 70k Those prices will just give you a idea of what to expect tommorow but knowing the GL economy the prices will be a whole lot higher. I didnt see any non-excep barding be sold that wasnt iron, im not even for certain though if there is any benefit for excep and non-excep. Probaly just more item hp. Also the barding comes in deed form you double click the deed and target the swamp dragon. For anybody that wants some made I will be available for a short time tommorow at around 11:30 to make it, but you must provide ingots. I will be at the Britain Smithy. I will post more information as a learn more. Thanks to Kata for the information. Hasta. ^ top-Tradespot has a new look [Nissa] April 23 - 4:38 PM EDT Over the past few weeks Tradespot has been promising some upgrades. We were informed that it would be necessary to now register with them inorder to post. So I went in and registered before someone stole my name. :) While I used to be a big Tradespot user and very well known on the board, it just go to the point where there was way too much spam. Messages would roll of the screen too quickly to sell anything. Used to be that people would bid on items on the boards, but now everyone does it through ICQ. Which I hate because when you icq someone they always come back and say, "Well, high bid on that is now 5 gabillion gold!". I alway felt that most people were not on the up and up. Or, if I was crushing the Tradespot boards at work and someone was selling something I was interested in bidding on, I couldn't contact via ICQ because I don't have ICQ at work. By the time I got home and got the kiddies to bed ICQ the person, the item was always already sold. Then I found UO Auction and my Tradespot days ended. UO Auction was great. Items were given reserves, people would bid UO gold, items were given a date and time that the bidding would end, you could vote on people and build a reputation. Items were sorted into categories and they had a database that you could look up items and what they sold for on that shard. Great site and Tradespot was over for me. Then... UO Auction crashed. Ever since UO Auction crashed, I have been at a loss for a good place to look for UO Sales. I keep going back to UO Auction with my fingers crossed hoping it would come back, but rebuilding it is a huge job and Stormlord does it on the side, so he hasn't been able to get it up as of yet. When I heard that Tradespot was getting a new look, I was hoping it would be something similar to UO Auction. However, it isn't. Basically it is the same setup just new drab colors. I was disappointed again. But to give Tradespot it's due, it does have a great reputation for 3rd Party Brokers which are a necessity when dealing with people you don't know. They also have a good scammer database so that you can look up icqs to see if the person you are planning to trade with has a history. Well, check it out for yourselves. ^ top-Dragon Barding Bugged? [Nieves] April 23 - 1:24 PM EDT It has to be. This in from Prophet in the UOPG Forum: ****************************************** Post 1: Ok either my char is bugged or I finally understand why I was having problems. I went out for a 3rd trial and finally hit rock bottom when I messed with the wrong hind and mongbat. They were literally beating me down! Then I noticed the damage, 9 points per hit. The same as when I took a brief hop to Ilshenar and a panther kept taking bites out of me for 9 points per chomp. I realized that the fire elemental from before hadn't had his damage multiplied, it was simply set at 9. I had to find a way to prove it though and sought out a juka lord. If the armor was really setting damage at 9 hitpoints, then the juka lord would shoot me and I'd laugh in his face. If I was wrong though and his damage was tripled... I found one and braced myself for a possible trip to the healers but when his arrow hit and I found myself still alive, I checked my hitpoints and saw that I had taken 9 points of damage yet again. I continued to stand there mocking him as his arrows failed to do their usual 40-50 hitpoints of damage. Perhaps I'm seeing the big picture finally (sorry it took so long, I've been up all night studying for today's exam ). On the one hand, a high melee monster may do 9 hitpoints of damage to you but on the other hand, every hit you take from anything will be for 9 hitpoints. That means if a pack of mongbats suddenly descends upon you, you very well may die. I'm gonna put this to the full test and go for a balron...to be continued. OMG!!!!! This stuff is for real! Blood elemental? 9 points! Balron? 9 points! I actually did the impossible and played pattycake bouncing off of a balron and blood elemental taking minimal damage compared to what should've been a combined amount of about 7 or 8 deaths! OMG the possibilities! Post 2: That horror hit me during my fight with an ancient wyrm. I kept sitting there freaking out everytime I heard it about to breathe fire or everytime a spell hit me but then I remembered that it would only be hitting for 9 hp's of damage. It was a very weird fight though. Every little spell it cast on me did 9 damage. Magic arrow, clumsy, even paralyze. I suppose that'd give new meaning to the phrase "paralyzing someone to death" . The first time I tried to melee it, it was going great but I was super cocky (who wouldn't be ) and it did some kind of quick weird damage and I ended up dying. The second time out I was on edge because I knew it could kill me whether I had my precious dragon or not but I also began to wonder about what happens if the dragon armor breaks and I fall into the jaws of the ancient wyrm. Eventually after taking off about 1/6 of it's health I decided that the fight was just too much for my nerves and left. This armor has got to be bugged somehow. There's absolutely no reason I should be able to melee an ancient wyrm as easily as I was. Forget tamers hogging spawns, with this power, warriors can hog spawns. Melee an ancient wyrm. That doesn't even sound right. I melee'd and killed a balron once but threw out the idea of trying an ancient wyrm because it's a balron but with 80+ firebreath. Even though it was quite a rush, I can't help but think of how incredibly this will change the game if this is indeed not a bug and not something that is just very short term. It doesn't seem to have the same effect when you suffer damage from a player thankfully. I just did a test with a guildmate and her war mace did the usual damage. Pvp would've been totally out of whack with these dragons the way they are. Keep in mind I'm not totally complaining but I think things may be a little off kilter right now. Standing toe to toe with blood elementals was fun but when I think about hordes of people doing it, it just seems a little odd. Actually, quite odd. Post 3: Ok here's how it goes. You take the barding deed and then target the dragon you want to put it on and then hop on and head off into the wilderness to fight. I have no idea if something "set" my damage at 9 or if that's just what the number is supposed to be but I didn't notice 9 until I had fought a corpser, wisp, and was messing with a fire elemental. You go into the fight as you normally would if you were riding anything else. Just start attacking whatever it is you want to fight and whenever you are hit by the monster by anything, you'll lose 9 hitpoints no matter what your armor rating is (you can add meleeing a blood elemental naked to the list of things that seem totally out of place, and no I wasn't just trying to show off my pixels ). Now when I say any attack, I mean any attack. A mongbat, a rabbit, a hind, a clumsy spell, a magic arrow spell, a flamestrike. Anything. I would imagine that the worst place you could go would be to the harpy nest since every one of them would be attacking at high speed and every hit from them will do 9 points of damage. The other interesting thing you should keep in mind is poison. Even a lesser poison spell from a monster will do 9 points of damage everytime it hits so basically, lesser poison is a deadly poison because it will definitely kill you if you wait for it to wear off so be careful. -MK2 Great. UPDATE: Check out the bold portion. It's very important to note that. If this holds true, Kudos to OSI for balancing it all out and giving fighters a big, fat juicy bone. See, I give props when they are due. ::rubs hands:: So what do the mages get?? Hasta. ^ top-UO Paste Feature [Nieves] April 23 - 10:31 AM EDT I was reading about an event at UOSS about a Deed Trade off when I found a gem within the post. It's about using cut and paste in UO. It's good stuff. And no, I didn't know about it. So neh. Thanks to Noel for posting Flagg's update. I left the BoD portion in so you can see how it's done. UO now has a paste feature. You must go to options and set a macro for it. It will paste text into UO, but is limited as to how much it will paste at a time. I paste in 15 deeds at a time. The problem is you don’t receive an error message if the paste failed. It just doesn't paste the last of what you had copied. Ok. Now you know how to paste into UO, but I have to type my BOD’s somewhere for me to paste from, right? No. If you have UO Assist this can be made very easy. Place the deeds you want to trade in a bag. Then set that bag as vendor bag (not sell bag). Count resources or open bag, then hit "more info". This will bring up another window. In the white field at the bottom, right click. This will give you a couple of options, choose “update from vendor bag.” (You can set a key to do this.) Now, the field should show all the deeds you have in your vendor bag. If not, count resources and try again. After you have this, make sure the columns are large enough to show all the deeds’ properties. To adjust this (and you will have to) move your cursor to the top of the field just left of where it says "price." You will get a “+” symbol. Left click and slide that right until all the properties of the longest deed are shown or just double click there and it will adjust it enough. After this is done, right click in the field again and choose the "copy to clip board” option. Minimize your UO screen and open a word processing program (MS Word, WordPad, Notepad, etc.,) then paste. This will list all the BOD’s in that bag. This is what you will get: A bulk order / Amount to make: : (0/10) / normal / iron ingots / bardiche, Price: – A large bulk order / Amount to make: : (0/80) / normal / iron ingots / Ringmail, Price: – A bulk order / Amount to make: : (0/15) / normal / iron ingots / scimitar, Price: – A bulk order / Amount to make: : (0/20) / normal / All items must be made with copper ingots. / helmet, Price: – A bulk order / Amount to make: : (0/10) / normal / iron ingots / two handed axe, Price: – A large bulk order / Amount to make: : (0/45) / normal / All items must be made with gold ingots. / Chainmail, Price: – A bulk order / Amount to make: : (0/20) / normal / iron ingots / scimitar, Price: – I suggest you edit it some in the word processing documents. This is how I would do mine: (0/10) / normal / iron ingots / bardiche (0/80) / normal / iron ingots / Ringmail (0/15) / normal / iron ingots / scimitar (0/20) / normal / All items must be made with copper ingots. / helmet (0/10) / normal / iron ingots / two handed axe (0/45) / normal / All items must be made with gold ingots. / Chainmail (0/20) / normal / iron ingots / scimitar Copy that and paste into a book in game. Like I said, don't try much more the 15 deeds a at a time while pasting into game. Update: Kitiara of UO Craft has her own cutting and pasting tutorial up. Check it out. Hasta. ^ top-Whatever Happened to Felucca Part 2 [Nieves] April 23 - 8:51 AM EDT Last week I interviewed the Great Lakes PvPers on #GLPVP on the irc.stratics.com IRC server. I was going to do some commentary with it but time has been precious lately. Instead of holding on to the interview, I figured I would go ahead and post it and allow all of you to discuss it in the UOPG Forum. I have been asking OSI reps for an IRC interview for a few weeks now. The UOHoC chats are decent, but they are not as focused as the type of chat I would host. The purpose of this IRC chat was to allow the hardcore PvPers a chance to talk to the dev team members and get some input and some discussion going about the Felucca changes. Obviousely, the UOFaire notes aren't being put into any In Concept documents (as far as we know anyway) and another opportunity to get some current input in is worth it, IMHO. I will keep trying until OSI says: "fuck no Nieves, we don't want to talk to you about that shit". Without further ado, here is the interview. Who knows? Maybe OSI will read this and your comments and realize that Publish 16's current Felucca changes truly are shit. Session Start: Tue Apr 16 23:08:10 2002 Session Ident: #GLPVP [23:08] *** Now talking in #GLPVP [23:08] *** Topic is 'Great Lakes PvP || Run by Unbiased people, that actually play GL || If you are in this channel please leave #gl || 4IF you want to join YAHOO! fantasy baseball, use the LEAGUEID: 193756 and PASSWORD: password || [15:45] [Dev[D-I]] where do babies come from' [23:08] *** Set by Onslaught-SNES on Mon Apr 15 15:48:49 [23:08] [Nieves] ok..shall we? [23:08] [MRev|GoD] ECC memory i mean [23:08] [Malis] Everyone be good your gonna be famous neives is gonna do an interview [23:08] [Nieves] lol!!! [23:08] [BTH-Thorin] lets be done [23:09] [BTH-Thorin] with the chit chat [23:09] [Elric[D-I]] interviewing who? [23:09] [BTH-Thorin] all of us [23:09] [Nieves] Ok, I am here tonight to talk to the GLPVPers about the proposed changes to Felucca. [23:09] *** Elric[D-I] sets mode: +m [23:09] [Elric[D-I]] ok [23:09] [Elric[D-I]] hush, Nieves has the stand [23:10] [Elric[D-I]] whores [23:10] *** MRev|GoD sets mode: +v Nieves [23:10] [Elric[D-I]] zip it [23:10] [Nieves] jeesh [23:10] [Nieves] talk about harsh :) [23:10] *** Elric[D-I] sets mode: -m [23:10] *** Tanto|AFK is now known as Tanto [23:10] [Elric[D-I]] Cavemen channel [23:10] [Unleashed] zip zip it good [23:10] [Elric[D-I]] we're all cavemen [23:10] [Nieves] Ok.... [23:10] [Qwerty] oga [23:10] [Nieves] The current no stat removal, good or bad? [23:10] [Elric[D-I]] I say remove stat all the way [23:10] [Tomek-] bad [23:10] [Elric[D-I]] what's it good for? [23:10] [BTH-Thorin] good but could be better [23:10] [Unleashed] good [23:10] [MRev|GoD] All Good, except the skill scroll part [23:11] [Elric[D-I]] ppl can just macro another PK in 2-3 days [23:11] [Nieves] we wil get to the scrolls :) [23:11] [Qwerty] good [23:11] [Lagwagon] hell [23:11] [BTH-Thorin] oh [23:11] [BTH-Thorin] wtf [23:11] [BTH-Thorin] stat [23:11] [BTH-Thorin] BAD [23:11] [BTH-Thorin] get rid of stat [23:11] [Malis] well I can see this being a positive thing for the rp pks such as adam ant [23:11] [Tanto] thorin [23:11] [Elric[D-I]] This idea is better than the current system, but I say remove stat loss completely. [23:11] [Galrahn] Nieves people have played around stat rules for reds for a long time and will continue to do so [23:11] [Nieves] Ok. [23:11] [BTH-Thorin] with neives [23:11] [Nieves] So no stat at all? [23:12] [Tomek-] aye [23:12] [Unleashed] no stat [23:12] [Nieves] Why? [23:12] [Qwerty] no staty at all [23:12] [Malis] aye if people dont want to deal with pks they should stay in trammel in my opinon [23:12] [Qwerty] because people want to role play murderers! [23:12] [BTH-Thorin] exactly [23:12] * Nieves grins [23:12] [Nieves] True enough [23:12] [Tomek-] Take stat away...take the monsters out of Brit GeeWhy [23:12] [Nieves] So no consequences for murderers at all? [23:12] [BTH-Thorin] they have trammel now and if they don't want pking they can stay there [23:12] [Malis] still red [23:12] [Qwerty] none [23:12] [BTH-Thorin] except being red [23:12] [Malis] no town access [23:12] [BTH-Thorin] can't enter towns [23:12] [Unleashed] nnone at all [23:12] [Tomek-] Like it was before stat [23:12] [Galrahn] no statloss would bring back the days of numerous dread lords, and because times have changed there will be plenty of people to handle the lawful duties of killing them [23:13] [Qwerty] make reds like on seige [23:13] [Nieves] ok... [23:13] [BTH-Thorin] galrahn is right [23:13] [BTH-Thorin] plus [23:13] [Unleashed] we need those red healers of mondain too [23:13] [BTH-Thorin] anti vs pk were some of the best uo pvp ever [23:13] [MRev|GoD] [Unleashed] we need those red healers of mondain too [23:13] [MRev|GoD] yes! [23:13] [Nieves] so only consequence is no town use except buc's? [23:13] [Unleashed] lol [23:13] [BTH-Thorin] well everyone can attack you [23:13] [BTH-Thorin] without penalty [23:13] [Qwerty] no all tows like Seige [23:13] [Malis] correct [23:13] [BTH-Thorin] but that's not neccessarily bad [23:13] [Nieves] but you still go red? Or no? [23:13] [BTH-Thorin] yes you still go red [23:13] [Qwerty] yes [23:13] [Unleashed] red [23:13] [Galrahn] thorin exactly, but most people only know those days via rumor, don't realize it will never be like it was even with no statloss [23:13] [Malis] yes still go red [23:13] [Sanguinarious] take away agapite and above weps! [23:14] [Qwerty] you go red [23:14] [MRev|GoD] you cant make it like siege [23:14] [MRev|GoD] that would be unfair to siege players [23:14] [BTH-Thorin] I know galrahn, it will still be better [23:14] [Nieves] ok... [23:14] [Tomek-] heh [23:15] [BTH-Thorin] good to konw unleashed [23:15] [Galrahn] accounts should be able to be diverse, red, blue, orange, etc [23:15] [BTH-Thorin] ditto [23:15] [Nieves] no stat, but penalty would be you go red, and freely attackable and cannot use towns with buc's being the exception [23:15] [BTH-Thorin] exactly [23:15] [Malis] Yep [23:15] [Unleashed] cool [23:15] [Galrahn] nieves reds would be slayed at bucs, they would not use it [23:15] [Galrahn] they wouldn't last long enough to say bank [23:15] [Nieves] So what's the solution Gal? [23:15] [Unleashed] *high fives Nieves* [23:15] [Qwerty] If you have a house no need to bank [23:16] [Tomek-] Slow the monsters down at brit gy [23:16] * Nieves agrees with Q [23:16] [Nieves] ok...shall we move along? [23:16] [BTH-Thorin] yes [23:16] [Malis] lets [23:16] [BTH-Thorin] move along [23:16] [Qwerty] yea [23:16] [BTH-Thorin] you got our position [23:16] [Qwerty] bring back abyss [23:16] [Nieves] Ok...Power Scrolls, your opinions on it? [23:16] [MRev|GoD] BAD [23:16] [Tomek-] shit [23:16] [BTH-Thorin] suck ass [23:16] [Tanto] BAD [23:16] [Malis] very bad [23:16] [Nieves] Why? [23:16] [Qwerty] SUCKY [23:16] [MRev|GoD] it would make 2 classes, PURE MAGES or PURE DEXERS [23:16] [Malis] they talked about how blessed weapons would unbalance pvp [23:16] [MRev|GoD] it would be bad for pvp [23:16] [BTH-Thorin] because it removes even more diversity from pvp [23:16] [Qwerty] they add skill that is not needed [23:16] [Malis] think about an uber mage [23:17] [MRev|GoD] HYBRIDS will be nothing [23:17] [BTH-Thorin] which is exactly what we don't need [23:17] [Malis] it will turn into anyone who couldnt get a scroll doesnt really have a chance [23:17] [Qwerty] well good thing is they will bring more pk meat [23:17] [Malis] to compete [23:17] [MRev|GoD] you would either have your UBER DEXER or your UBER MAGE [23:17] [Nieves] So you guys woudln't see any benefit in them for yourselves? [23:17] [BTH-Thorin] well [23:17] [BTH-Thorin] I loot them [23:17] [BTH-Thorin] and sell them to trammies [23:17] [MRev|GoD] it would ruin pvp [23:17] [MRev|GoD] if they made it work only with monsters [23:17] [MRev|GoD] that would be acceptable [23:18] [Malis] would be nice to have skill bonus's if only I had them but I think it will take away some of [23:18] [Malis] the skill used to pvp with [23:18] [Nieves] What if the bonuses decayed? [23:18] [Galrahn] it going to make ganks twice as previlant, because power scrolls will tilt the balance for those who have em, which will be powergamers like PvPers [23:18] [Qwerty] ban everyone who says its a good idea [23:18] [MRev|GoD] that would be good [23:18] [MRev|GoD] maybe if they [23:18] [MRev|GoD] went away when you died [23:18] [MRev|GoD] like tribal paint [23:18] * Nieves nods [23:18] [BTH-Thorin] when they died would be good [23:19] [Nieves] ok...next? [23:19] [MRev|GoD] but, you would have to make the scrolls give you those skills instantly though [23:19] [MRev|GoD] cause [23:19] [Nieves] hmm...good point mrev... [23:19] [MRev|GoD] having to work a skill from 100 - 120 [23:19] [Jesot] i think the scrolls are stupid idea [23:19] [MRev|GoD] then losing it in 2 seconds [23:19] [MRev|GoD] would suck [23:19] [MRev|GoD] so i would have to be like having a weapon [23:19] [Zop|sleep] 120 resist [23:19] [Zop|sleep] ! [23:19] [BTH-Thorin] yeah [23:19] [BTH-Thorin] good point [23:19] [Zop|sleep] talk about resisting poison now.... [23:20] [Nieves] i was freaking out when I realized what would happen at 120 magery [23:20] [Nieves] and 120 med [23:20] [Nieves] jeesh [23:20] [Qwerty] what about some one with 120 magery [23:20] [MRev|GoD] it would suck for tank mages [23:20] [MRev|GoD] medis [23:20] [Malis] imagine those greater heals [23:20] [MRev|GoD] eval warriors [23:20] [BTH-Thorin] yeah [23:20] [MRev|GoD] fighter thieves [23:20] [Nieves] and the flamestrikes. two of them would kill you. [23:20] [MRev|GoD] those classes would not han [23:20] [MRev|GoD] hang [23:20] [Malis] 120 mage five with gm inscription [23:20] [BTH-Thorin] or anat [23:20] [Neoptolemos] no [23:20] [MRev|GoD] would be a nightmare [23:20] [Neoptolemos] gm anat [23:20] [MRev|GoD] either or [23:20] [Galrahn] nieves this idea is like the idea they had with the special potions, in the end that patch would have unbalanced the game, i hope OSI sees it the same way this time [23:20] [Qwerty] scrolsl suck [23:20] [Nieves] I am thinking the melee4+jacking. [23:20] [Neoptolemos] you couldnt kill that char mage on mage [23:20] [Qwerty] move on [23:20] [Unleashed] only thing i would want is bonus to stats [23:21] [Nieves] ok. [23:21] [MRev|GoD] i think that shoul be temp too [23:21] [Nieves] ok... [23:21] [Nieves] move on? [23:21] [MRev|GoD] the stat bonus [23:21] [MRev|GoD] ok [23:21] [MRev|GoD] move on [23:21] [MRev|GoD] :) [23:21] [Malis] yes ;) [23:21] [Nieves] 30 minutes out: good or bad? [23:21] [BTH-Thorin] BAD [23:21] [MRev|GoD] bad [23:21] [Galrahn] BAD [23:21] [Unleashed] dunno wat it is [23:21] [MRev|GoD] i dont see a point [23:21] [Nieves] if you die [23:21] [Nieves] you can't go to dungeon for 30 minutes [23:21] [Galrahn] adults do not have time to waste 30 minutes doing nothing [23:21] [Neoptolemos] its bad [23:21] [Tomek-] bad [23:21] [Qwerty] thats fucking retarded [23:21] [Unleashed] pointless :/ [23:21] [Malis] well good because then you can fight over territory [23:22] * Nieves nods [23:22] [Neoptolemos] i see it abused if they can just log a diff char [23:22] [BTH-Thorin] I shouldn't even have to explain myself on this, it's just stupid [23:22] [JDread] 30 mins is too long 10 would be more than enough to determine control of a spot [23:22] [Nieves] It's worse than Factions stat loss IMHO [23:22] [BTH-Thorin] much worse [23:22] [MRev|GoD] or even 15 [23:22] [Zop|sleep] wow [23:22] [Zop|sleep] droped [23:22] [MRev|GoD] but 30 is crazy [23:22] [BTH-Thorin] I think maybe just kicking you to the entrance of the dungeon would be ok [23:22] [Qwerty] in t2a its bad enoguht there are no healers around [23:23] [Galrahn] still rediculous to have people wait for a half hour to play a product you pay for [23:23] [Nieves] ok.... [23:23] [Unleashed] yep [23:23] [Qwerty] hell most like they will be killed again [23:23] [Nieves] So, with all these changes, do you guys think it's going to make Trammel folks want to come to fel more? [23:23] [Unleashed] haha [23:23] [Lagwagon] not realy [23:23] [Unleashed] no [23:23] [MRev|GoD] not too many [23:23] [Unleashed] lol [23:23] [Jesot] no [23:23] [MRev|GoD] maybe a few of the borderline people [23:23] [Jesot] don't want em here either [23:23] [Malis] only for the scrolls [23:23] * Dupree_UO the trammy says no :) [23:24] [MRev|GoD] but thats it [23:24] [Lagwagon] there will be guild functions [23:24] [Jesot] cause they'll bitch [23:24] [JDread] Trammel folks will come 1st week then they we get eaten alive and not want to come back [23:24] [Jesot] and the changes will go away anyway [23:24] [Qwerty] i think most of there asses are stuck to the bank wall [23:24] [Jesot] from them bitching [23:24] [Lagwagon] but they will be hugely publicized and fail unless at least 20 people call for them [23:24] [Malis] if some good rp pk guilds get going some of the trammel guilds will come to fight them if the loot rule stays the same [23:24] [Galrahn] nieves i doubt it, the shards have totally different play styles, and most trammel people are not interested in the Felucca playstyle no matter what they change [23:24] [Neoptolemos] Trammel people will be safer in a Fel dungeon then in a Tram one [23:24] [Lagwagon] then if a pk wrecks there fun [23:24] [MRev|GoD] maybe if you put a bank in the middle of a dungoen, they wil come [23:24] [MRev|GoD] LOL [23:24] [Neoptolemos] they wont lose anything if they ydie [23:24] [Nieves] So what would? [23:24] [Lagwagon] they will call a gm on them for disturbing an orgonized event [23:24] [Jesot] lol [23:24] [Unleashed] either way what ever happeneds trammys are still gonna complain about all this stuff and itll keep wishy washing itself [23:24] [Nieves] Neo: It's not about lopsing items, it's about dieing [23:24] [Jesot] [Malis] if some good rp pk guilds get going some of the trammel guilds will come to fight them if the loot rule stays the same [23:24] [Nieves] those people don't want to die and then not come back to the dungeons. [23:25] [Jesot] rp pk will not work [23:25] [Jesot] with real pk's around [23:25] [Nieves] and then not be able to come back to dungeons even. [23:25] [Unleashed] if they dont wanna die then i would advize them to not come heh [23:25] [Jesot] they'd never get red [23:25] [Qwerty] kill healers in tram [23:25] [Neoptolemos] They can go to a Trammel dungeon then [23:25] [Malis] well I think it would if you got a group going look at URK they manage to fight everyone yet still RP [23:25] [Nieves] URK is the exception. [23:26] [Galrahn] URK should be the rule [23:26] [Galrahn] for rpers [23:26] [Qwerty] URK has been around since I could remember [23:26] [Lagwagon] urk is a strange combonation [23:26] [Nieves] Funny coming from you Gal. Anyway. [23:26] [Lagwagon] as far as i can tell urks dont mind dieing [23:26] [Nieves] no they don't [23:26] [Nieves] and they don't care about losing loot either. [23:26] [Nieves] ok...about the loot issue [23:26] [Lagwagon] which is not the case with most people [23:26] [Nieves] The no loot lost issue, good or bad? [23:26] [Lagwagon] loot issue is kinda counter productive [23:26] [Jesot] we should be able to get their vanqs [23:26] [Qwerty] bad [23:26] [BTH-Thorin] bad [23:26] [MRev|GoD] what they seriously need to do, is make camping not profitable [23:27] [Neoptolemos] No loot lost for blues is terrible [23:27] [Jesot] not fair that they can whack at us with em if we can't take em [23:27] [MRev|GoD] loot is bad [23:27] [Nieves] how so MRev? [23:27] [Qwerty] wtf do i wanna waste regs on someone and get jack shit [23:27] [Neoptolemos] your giving every melee a blessed vanq [23:27] [MRev|GoD] well [23:27] [Jesot] no steal = ok [23:27] [MRev|GoD] my idea is [23:27] [Jesot] no loot = bad [23:27] [Lagwagon] unless the loot issue is done same for reds its very biased [23:27] [Unleashed] no we should be able to loot if u dont wanan die then do not carry loot or come to fel lol be able to stick up for yourself [23:27] [MRev|GoD] say if a spawn was camped, each time that creature died [23:27] [Lagwagon] and unfair [23:27] [MRev|GoD] it would give less loot [23:27] [MRev|GoD] such as an elder gazer [23:27] [MRev|GoD] it would give less loot each time [23:27] [MRev|GoD] it died [23:27] [Elric[D-I]] damn power went out :( [23:27] [Galrahn] looting has always been a central part of the game, it should not be removed after being apart of the game for almost 5 years [23:27] [Nieves] good point God....but what if bigger baddies come? Like say a Balron? [23:27] [MRev|GoD] so that would stop camping [23:27] [JDread] The loot idea is bad there should be maybe a 25% chance to lose a item there needs to be some risk Or you might as well just hand out weapon bless deeds to evryone [23:28] [BTH-Thorin] what dread said [23:28] [BTH-Thorin] I'd be ok with reds [23:28] [BTH-Thorin] losing all their stuff [23:28] [MRev|GoD] well a tamer should be able to handle those [23:28] [Lagwagon] well if a balron come syou sit witht he same problem as before spawn too tough for people to do [23:28] [BTH-Thorin] if blues lost at least like 20% [23:28] [JDread] Reds could be 50% and blues could have 20-25% [23:28] [Jesot] beign able to loot is why this game owns the other mmog's [23:28] [BTH-Thorin] yeah [23:28] [MRev|GoD] right on jesot [23:28] [Nieves] I would say reds 75-100% and blues 50%. [23:28] [Unleashed] yep agreed [23:28] [BTH-Thorin] agreed [23:28] [MRev|GoD] i would take though [23:28] [Zop|sleep] if i didnt want to get looted, i would go play diablo... [23:28] [Qwerty] 100% both [23:28] [MRev|GoD] pvpers dont mide getting looted [23:29] [Elric[D-I]] I think 100% for reds and blues :/ [23:29] [MRev|GoD] mide = mind [23:29] [Galrahn] 100% [23:29] [JDread] I really dont care about the loot for reds we know our risks but the blues need to share some loot risk [23:29] [Nieves] yeah but got to give the trammelites something to be happy about right? [23:29] [BTH-Thorin] qwerty, elric [23:29] [Galrahn] if it is not broke, why fix it [23:29] [Zop|sleep] i agree with elric [23:29] [Malis] well I think the reason osi is not going with 100% for blues is trying to get some trammel players [23:29] [Malis] to start playing in fel [23:29] [BTH-Thorin] you have to at least make the trammies want to come [23:29] [BTH-Thorin] 100% will discourage it [23:29] [Jesot] F*** Trammelites [23:29] [Zop|sleep] rock on [23:29] [BTH-Thorin] no not F*** trammelites [23:29] [Malis] I mean granted its fun for us to pk them but how fun will it be for them to come in full of supplies just do die [23:29] [Zop|sleep] Trammelite genocide [23:29] [Jesot] if they're too pussy to play by our rules, they can stay there [23:29] [Elric[D-I]] hehe, I hate to say this, but what about those of us that lost 100% of our loot back in the dread lord days? [23:29] [Qwerty] they need tought love [23:29] [Elric[D-I]] :/ [23:29] [Qwerty] 100%!!! [23:30] [BTH-Thorin] you need to move on [23:30] [JDread] I hate to say this but right now the wolfs inhabit Felucia and all the trammys will be is a snack of mutton for a week till the realize that they cant compete [23:30] [Nieves] but we got to rememeber something guys.... [23:30] [Nieves] these aren't those days anymore. [23:30] [BTH-Thorin] exactly [23:30] [MRev|GoD] of osi gets people in fel that = $$$ [23:30] [Malis] yep after UOR it became a whole new game [23:30] [Lagwagon] the real problem is most all out pks decide if the loot id worth the count except for some that just want the counts [23:30] [MRev|GoD] they have to get people interested in other things [23:30] [Qwerty] true i dont have a good opinion about this [23:30] [Neoptolemos] Ok then I propose if its such an issue a blue loses 1/3 if they are not an agressor, but if they attack a red it should go to 100% because thats consentual [23:30] [Lagwagon] but there has to be a reason to take counts [23:30] [MRev|GoD] neo [23:30] [Nieves] good point neo [23:30] [MRev|GoD] great idea [23:30] [Malis] I like Neos idea [23:30] [Zop|sleep] if i take a fuckin count on someone, i better damn well get all their shit for it. [23:30] [Jesot] still...F*** Trammelites that are afraid of us [23:30] [BTH-Thorin] good neo [23:31] [MRev|GoD] if a blue is aggresser to a pk 100% will be lost [23:31] [MRev|GoD] that is great [23:31] [Nieves] HEY Zop [23:31] [Lagwagon] neos idea works [23:31] [Nieves] you got a point [23:31] [BTH-Thorin] yes it is [23:31] [JDread] Right now maybe 10 PKS keep felucai dungeons trammy free adding 100s more will only send them back to there side [23:31] [Nieves] if they give a count, 100% loot [23:31] [Nieves] if not, 50? [23:31] [Zop|sleep] yeah [23:31] [Jesot] they are the ones that ruined the game in the first place [23:31] [Zop|sleep] i mean [23:31] [BTH-Thorin] well [23:31] [Unleashed] if changes are made alot of angry people are gonna suffer it and end up just quitting thats alot of people =/ [23:31] [Zop|sleep] one or the other [23:31] [Zop|sleep] loot or a count [23:31] [Nieves] very good point. [23:31] [Jesot] why should they get to ruin the last good things about UO? [23:31] [Qwerty] the scrolls will sell on ebay for about 20 bucks [23:31] [JDread] Should be 100% for reds and 50% for blues [23:31] [Qwerty] lotta greedy trammies will want them!! [23:31] [Galrahn] JDread is right, there are no more than 20 PKs total on the shard, yet trammel peeps never come now, why will they when the number is larger? [23:31] [Elric[D-I]] that's when you have to think about the PK's Vs. Anti-PK wars [23:31] [Lagwagon] the loot or count is a good idea too [23:31] [Lagwagon] actualy the best idea [23:32] [BTH-Thorin] because they'll be a new goodie galrahn [23:32] [Nieves] ok we got an idea. [23:32] [Qwerty] yea [23:32] [Nieves] next topic? [23:32] [BTH-Thorin] sure [23:32] [Elric[D-I]] the use of Tamed animals in PvP [23:32] [Elric[D-I]] ban hit [23:32] [Qwerty] if they give a count they lose 100% loot if they dont give a count they lose only 50% [23:32] [Elric[D-I]] it [23:32] [BTH-Thorin] rofl [23:32] [Jesot] remember: F*** Trammelites [23:32] [BTH-Thorin] stfu elric [23:32] [Zop|sleep] Next topic: trammel, a place for trade or one big bramble?!?! [23:32] [Elric[D-I]] ban hit [23:32] [Elric[D-I]] the use of Tamed animals in PvP [23:32] [Malis] yes new topic please [23:32] [Nieves] ok.... [23:32] [JDread] Look at how long pure mares kept trammys in felucia once tehy all managed to get mares they never came back [23:32] [Zop|sleep] ;p [23:32] [Malis] everyone please be civil nieves is a guest here [23:32] [Nieves] What would YOU do to make it more enticing for Trammel folks to come to Fel? [23:32] [Zop|sleep] who is nieves? [23:33] [BTH-Thorin] I think we need to show them pvp [23:33] [Zop|sleep] jw [23:33] [Nieves] nobody really. [23:33] [Nieves] anyway. [23:33] [Zop|sleep] =) [23:33] [Jesot] Kill em as soon as they came through the gate [23:33] [Zop|sleep] k [23:33] [BTH-Thorin] and not just dry loot them [23:33] [Qwerty] lol jes [23:33] [BTH-Thorin] zop he's a reporter from stratics [23:33] [Unleashed] lol@jesot [23:33] [MRev|GoD] enticin [23:33] [Nieves] Seriousely...what would you do? [23:33] [MRev|GoD] well [23:33] [Lagwagon] i woudl make fel and tramel exactly alike with all out pvp ruleset [23:33] [Qwerty] bank sit in fel [23:33] [MRev|GoD] 2 things [23:33] [Zop|sleep] ah cool [23:33] [Elric[D-I]] Give something to Fel that Trammel doesnt have. As to what that would be, I have no idea [23:33] [Nieves] Who is a reporter for Stratics??? [23:33] [Qwerty] show them there is room [23:33] [Malis] I think the key to getting trammel folk to Fel is having some fel players show them the ropes [23:33] [Unleashed] hahahahahah@qwerty [23:33] [MRev|GoD] either make trammel a little sour for them [23:33] [MRev|GoD] that wont happen [23:33] [BTH-Thorin] to make trammel players come to fel [23:33] [MRev|GoD] if you 2x the loot in fel monsters [23:33] [MRev|GoD] that could do it [23:33] * Jesot has not comment here as he does not want Trammelites lagging his server and leeching his lewt [23:33] [BTH-Thorin] you halve all the loot and fame in tram [23:33] [Elric[D-I]] Ban people that bank sit [23:33] [Zop|sleep] make it so that if u are in trammel, you lost a level of fame everyday [23:34] * Jesot meant facet, not server [23:34] [Lagwagon] nerf tramel loot and increase fel loot [23:34] [BTH-Thorin] exactly [23:34] [BTH-Thorin] and nerf tram fame [23:34] [MRev|GoD] only have banks in fel [23:34] [MRev|GoD] hahah [23:34] [BTH-Thorin] that would be great [23:34] [Neoptolemos] lol [23:34] [BTH-Thorin] but won't happen [23:34] [Nieves] lol [23:34] [Neo-SD] lmao [23:34] [Nieves] Ok...what about this guys.... [23:34] [Zop|sleep] block off all tram dungeons. [23:34] [Elric[D-I]] Make a PvP server other than SP, and allow us to transfer Characters (with no trammel) [23:34] [Unleashed] only way to make bank sitters and such come to fel is to make tram just like fel and then itll all slide in place until then there is no way [23:34] [Nieves] you know those little scenarios they keep putting out? [23:34] [MRev|GoD] well make seats for them to sit in [23:34] [MRev|GoD] only make those in fel [23:34] [MRev|GoD] :) [23:34] [Lagwagon] i woudl personaly just make all dungeons lost lands and ilsh pvp zones [23:34] [BTH-Thorin] yeah, make them only in fel [23:34] [Nieves] What if the realy good stuff you can get from the scenarios you canonly get in felucca? [23:35] [Lagwagon] including tramel [23:35] [Lagwagon] dungeons [23:35] [Elric[D-I]] oh yeah, Decrease dungeon spawn in Deceit [23:35] [Elric[D-I]] :) [23:35] [MRev|GoD] thats a good idea nieves [23:35] [Qwerty] make a sceanrio where ya have to pvp [23:35] [BTH-Thorin] you mean cannot get in tram? [23:35] [Tomek-] decrease spawn in brit gy [23:35] [BTH-Thorin] on [23:35] [BTH-Thorin] can only [23:35] [Malis] that would work then everyone wanting to get power crystals or the like would have to hunt in fel to make thier uber Golem [23:35] [Elric[D-I]] Bring back server wars :) [23:35] [Neoptolemos] A fel only scenario works great. Trinsic seige was great [23:35] [Galrahn] allow murderers to control undead and tame evil creatures and hire orcs, trammies would love that [23:35] [BTH-Thorin] server wars was the best [23:35] [Neoptolemos] it would work again [23:35] [Nieves] ok...follow me for a moment? [23:35] [JDread] I think if you just doubled the fame and loot in Felucia put in the stat scrolls, Make the power scrolls temp 30 min powerups, excange stat lose for 1 hour dead as a ghost for each short term murder count that would be a good start [23:35] [Qwerty] bring back Abyss [23:35] [Nieves] I like your idea gal...i will talk about that in a second [23:35] [Jesot] decrease all spawn rates [23:36] [BTH-Thorin] qwerty for god sakes [23:36] [Jesot] i would like to go to dungeons [23:36] [Nieves] Ok....you get the scenarios. [23:36] [Jesot] every once in awhile [23:36] [Jesot] but it's too spawned [23:36] [Jesot] to move [23:36] [Jesot] cause no one can handle it [23:36] [Elric[D-I]] Qwerty doesnt PvP with WW's, Thorin. Don't speak to him like that [23:36] [Jesot] so no one goes there [23:36] [Nieves] They are released to both facets...but the really good stuff is ONLY in Felucca. [23:36] [Nieves] that way they aren't FORCED to come to felucca to do the scenario [23:36] [Zop|sleep] in a pkable area? [23:36] [Nieves] but if they want the uber stuff, they have to go to felucca. [23:36] [Qwerty] Abyss was FUN MAN [23:36] [Nieves] all over fel. [23:36] [Lagwagon] well i say firce them in fel to do the scenario [23:37] [Tomek-] then they will go buy them at west brit bank trammel, from the not so pussy players who got them in fel, making them extremely expensive [23:37] [Elric[D-I]] Tomek has a good idea [23:37] [Elric[D-I]] :/ [23:37] [BTH-Thorin] fine with me [23:37] [Nieves] Ah here is the kicker..... [23:37] [Zop|sleep] or even... [23:37] [BTH-Thorin] better to have the money in our hands than theirs [23:37] [Lagwagon] tramel is bared from pks might as weell have fel only things [23:37] [Nieves] what if you can't use them in trammel? [23:37] [Unleashed] cool [23:37] [Tomek-] osi would never do that. [23:37] [Zop|sleep] make it so only the person that killed & looted the monster able to use the item [23:37] [Zop|sleep] so they cant buy them [23:37] [Nieves] I figured that tomek...but it's an idea. [23:37] [Zop|sleep] tehy have to earn them [23:37] [Galrahn] forbid use in trammel for items... that would work [23:37] [BTH-Thorin] no good because then they'd just ignore tham all together nieves [23:38] [BTH-Thorin] why would you care about something that only works in fel if you're a trammie [23:38] [Lagwagon] i am seeing more and more put in for the trammy it disgusts me look at ilsh one huge trammy hoe down and nto a single thing put in for the pvper [23:38] [Galrahn] why cant they make PK scrolls that allow you to PK people in Trammel [23:38] [Nieves] because human nature will sometimes make them want to use them in fel. [23:38] [Neoptolemos] lol [23:38] [Nieves] how so gal? [23:38] [Tomek-] That would take months of planing. The Graphix for the new items, what they would do, the coding to make them work in fel, not tram [23:38] [Neoptolemos] allow reds in tram [23:38] [Unleashed] ya [23:38] [BTH-Thorin] I say allow pking in overland trammel, at least that [23:39] [BTH-Thorin] overland + T2A [23:39] [Nieves] how about just T2A? [23:39] [Lagwagon] yes allow reds in tram if nto apvpable at least under ilsh ruleset [23:39] [Qwerty] bring back tinker trap boxes [23:39] [Unleashed] no [23:39] [Neoptolemos] allow reds in town [23:39] [Qwerty] !! [23:39] * Nieves misses trap boxes [23:39] [Jesot] unrestricted PvP in all of T2A = good [23:39] [BTH-Thorin] yes it does [23:39] [Zop|sleep] yeah [23:39] [Neoptolemos] there is no purpose to keeping them out, everyone has secondary chars and is self sufficient [23:39] [Lagwagon] unrestricter pvp in ilsh woudl be best [23:39] [BTH-Thorin] well not pking in towns of course [23:39] [Zop|sleep] where reds can go anywhere [23:39] [Jesot] ie: no counts [23:39] [DS|ZT] its pretty gay that they are favoring the trammies totally i mean they have changed all pvp ..gave them their own land.. what did we get lol.. [23:39] [Jesot] maybe counts [23:40] [Elric[D-I]] I got an idea, bring back those monster raids and GM controlled monsters to Felucca [23:40] [Jesot] no statloss then it'd be fun [23:40] [Nieves] they would never do the unristricted pvp in islh or tram. [23:40] [Neoptolemos] yeah [23:40] [Elric[D-I]] that'll bring them in hordes [23:40] [BTH-Thorin] well maybe no short term counts jesot [23:40] [Qwerty] yea 99% of trammies have never seen a red player [23:40] [BTH-Thorin] the problem is the rumors [23:40] [BTH-Thorin] people think fel is full of pks [23:40] [Nieves] lol [23:40] [Neoptolemos] GM controlled spawns and other random fun things [23:40] [Nieves] you know what Thorin? You are right. [23:40] [Malis] I think the proublem with getting new people in Fel if you think about it is think of thier first experince proubly [23:40] [Neoptolemos] would be a good way to get people to go [23:40] [Malis] they go over and hear they suck [23:40] [JDread] Theres maybe 10 pks on GL that are active [23:40] [DS|ZT] yeah but thorin they have their own damn land for godsakes... [23:40] [JDread] 10 tops [23:40] [BTH-Thorin] DS [23:40] [Nieves] yeah...one got me on friday :p [23:40] [Galrahn] exactly, there are only 20 PKs on felucca now on GL and that keeps trammel away now.. [23:40] [BTH-Thorin] you know I agree with you [23:41] [Galrahn] how will changes to game effect that perception [23:41] [BTH-Thorin] I'm just trying to think of a way to compromise [23:41] [Zop|sleep] i know i pk in Khaldun a lot [23:41] [Nieves] GaL: what was your earlier idea? [23:41] [Zop|sleep] =) [23:41] [Tomek-] There needs to be a place where no so good pvpers can do, who have 2-4x gm chars, but who are not ready for prime time pvp...trammies can come to fel on a 3x gm cahr thinking they are ready for pvp, to die to a 7x 5 year vet, only to live in trammel for the rest of the time [23:41] [BTH-Thorin] that could be what ills is for tomek [23:41] [Galrahn] People who are red with High Fame and Low Karma should be able to hire orcs, tame evil creatures, and control undead [23:41] [BTH-Thorin] could implement that somehow [23:41] [BTH-Thorin] good idea gal [23:41] [Nieves] Ok...so sort of an evil RP element? [23:42] [Galrahn] why not [23:42] []]Miner[[] no [23:42] [Nieves] True. [23:42] [BTH-Thorin] yeah miner [23:42] [Elric[D-I]] just bring back the monster-town raids to Felucca only. The GM controlled monsters etc, They would come to Fel for that. [23:42] [Nieves] And only in Fel? [23:42] []]Miner[[] i dont want to see BC running around with 9 million orcs [23:42] [BTH-Thorin] trammies would totally be into it [23:42] [Jesot] no, that only leads to BTH using them fo "PvP" [23:42] [JDread] I think what the problem is that in trammle they are babyed then they come to Felucia and mix it up with one of the organized PVP orintated guilds and get there head handed to them [23:42] [Nieves] LOL! [23:42] [Galrahn] no reds allowed in tram nieves [23:42] [Galrahn] so would have to be fel [23:42] [Nieves] right gal. [23:42] []]Miner[[] i think [23:42] [Nieves] but you would have to restrict the number of hirelings. [23:42] [Nieves] can't be open like that. it's broken then [23:42] []]Miner[[] that being able to hire more things is not a good idea [23:42] [Neoptolemos] even worse then 10 npc archers would be 10 tamed orc mages casting fs on you [23:42] []]Miner[[] Every BTH would have the max of hirelings [23:43] [Elric[D-I]] exactly miner [23:43] []]Miner[[] running around claiming ownage [23:43] [Jesot] exactly [23:43] [Galrahn] nieves 3 or 4 reds should be able to hire every orc in the fort, orcs are weak [23:43] * Nieves nods [23:43] [Malis] maybe get more chreaters the higher your fame is ? [23:43] [BTH-Thorin] miner want me to direct you to the pic of 30 zt dragons at brit gate? [23:43] [Nieves] But orcs block Gal, that's all that is needed. [23:43] [Galrahn] but the undead and evil creatures would be more difficult [23:43] [Malis] blah i typed that wrong [23:43] []]Miner[[] thorin as if you didnt deserve it? [23:43] []]Miner[[] thorin as if you didnt deserve it? [23:43] [Tomek-] Thorin: fit fire with water. [23:43] [Qwerty] people with neg karma not allowed in tram [23:43] [Galrahn] you can hire tons of npcs [23:43] [Tomek-] *fight [23:43] [Galrahn] and control them [23:43] [Qwerty] if they are taking reds out [23:43] [Galrahn] in the game now [23:43] [BTH-Thorin] allright miner truce for now so we can just do the interview now [23:43] [Nieves] Q: not bad idea. [23:43] [Qwerty] err leaveing reds out [23:43] [Malis] the higher your fame the more you can control ? where why would they want to follow a peon mage when they could follow a dread lord Mage ? [23:43] [Nieves] Ok, next question? [23:43] [Qwerty] most of the tards have evil titles [23:43] [Zop|sleep] make fame harder to get [23:44] [Zop|sleep] and decay faster [23:44] [Zop|sleep] ... [23:44] []]Miner[[] and most of the people that lack pvp skill would use them [23:44] [Nieves] Is Factions working? Why not?(already know the answer is no) [23:44] [Elric[D-I]] Nieves, I say restrict tamers from PvP [23:44] [Lagwagon] i coudl hand you 100 ideas [23:44] [BTH-Thorin] no because of stat loss and 24 sigil guarding [23:44] [Malis] Blessed Runic Faction Weapons need to go [23:44] [BTH-Thorin] along with blessed faction runic weapons [23:44] [Nieves] email them lagwagon [23:44] [BTH-Thorin] whihc need to go [23:44] [Zop|sleep] exactly [23:44] []]Miner[[] factions isnt working because there are too many disadvantages [23:44] * Nieves nieves@uopowergamers.com [23:44] [Sanguinarious] YES get rid of those [23:44] [Zop|sleep] only Gm faction weps [23:44] [Qwerty] pets give the I am not a murder message when they try to attack humans [23:44] [Jesot] no, get rid of "Murderer" and not allow Trammelites to get negative karma "Lord" off of NPCs [23:44] [Neoptolemos] Factions is having to sit out for 20 mins because of someone using sheriffs commands to place 2 SL mages [23:44] [Nieves] good point qwerty [23:44] [Jesot] Dread Lord = good Pk [23:44] [Galrahn] factions is broken yet they focused on normal pvp which is just fine [23:44] [Malis] change corruption time to 8 hours [23:45] []]Miner[[] that [23:45] []]Miner[[] and the strength of hte guards [23:45] [Jesot] Dread Lord doesn't = good NPK [23:45] []]Miner[[] right now [23:45] [Galrahn] if you want to attract trammel people, make factions a no loot PvP system [23:45] [Zop|sleep] im sorry, i dont want to waste a whole day just for a sigal [23:45] [Zop|sleep] ... [23:45] []]Miner[[] the guards can be traped still [23:45] [Galrahn] i bet they play factions then [23:45] []]Miner[[] the guards can be traped still [23:45] []]Miner[[] that is completley unfair [23:45] [BTH-Thorin] get rid of stat loss, change corruption time to 8-10 hours and get rid of blessed faction runic weapons [23:45] []]Miner[[] 10 guards in 1 place are almost impossible to kill [23:45] [Tomek-] Make corruption time lower...10 hours maybe...give people an advantage to join a faction, and make the limits smaller. 200 to 1 before a faction fills is bogus, 200 people bearly play factions [23:45] [Jesot] trammelites join factions to buy a faction horse and go back to trammel [23:45] [Elric[D-I]] Eliminate Tamers from PvPing [23:45] [Elric[D-I]] Eliminate Tamers from PvPing [23:45] [Lagwagon] i think thats already in the works [23:45] [Jesot] where their faction titles don't even sho [23:45] []]Miner[[] Yes pets should not have an active role in factions [23:45] [Lagwagon] i think they are downing cor times to 8 hours [23:46] [Qwerty] aloow faction fighting in tram [23:46] []]Miner[[] they are dowing the cor times already [23:46] []]Miner[[] no [23:46] []]Miner[[] Disalow faction members to go to tram [23:46] [Lagwagon] they shoudl make it so you cannot target a player with a pet [23:46] [Zop|sleep] urd [23:46] [Zop|sleep] yeah [23:46] []]Miner[[] that way you dont have the newbie trammies filling up spots in factions [23:46] [JDread] Elric if they limited tamers to one damn dragon that would be easy to fix [23:46] [Elric[D-I]] yes, Miner. Good point [23:46] []]Miner[[] Disalow faction members to go to tram [23:46] []]Miner[[] that way you dont have the newbie trammies filling up spots in factions [23:46] [BTH-Thorin] good idea miner [23:46] [Lagwagon] thats my fav faction players cant goto tram [23:46] [Sanguinarious] ya good idea. [23:46] [Zop|sleep] i say, if ur in a faction or a war guild, you are opengame ANYWHERE [23:46] [Elric[D-I]] that would be good too JD [23:46] [Tomek-] Get rid of blessed weapons overall...clothing and armor is alright...more stuff able to be bought with silver, regs or potions for thought....make people want to raid bases instead of moongates [23:46] [MRev|GoD] but lag [23:46] [Lagwagon] i still say if a faction player is not active for so long he is automaticly removed from the faction [23:46] [MRev|GoD] you have to think about the faction players that have houses in tram [23:47] * Galrahn wonders if nieves is even paying attention anymore [23:47] [BTH-Thorin] then they can go to that house with another character mrev [23:47] [Nieves] ok. no blessed runics, no stat, tamers can't have their pets attack folks, less cor times, and....? [23:47] [Elric[D-I]] hehe everyone wait for Nieves to reply [23:47] [Elric[D-I]] :P [23:47] [Zop|sleep] [MRev|GoD] you have to think about the faction players that have houses in tram [23:47] [Lagwagon] thats why i woudl say faction players have to be active a determined amount of time in fel or be droped from factions [23:47] [Jesot] impossible, and no point [23:47] [Tomek-] Advantage of playing factions [23:47] [Zop|sleep] then they would have to come to fel wouldn't they? [23:47] [Tomek-] more stuff able to be bought [23:47] [Malis] I think tamers will be okay in factions after the tamer changes [23:47] []]Miner[[] maybe a bigger benifit/advantage to being in factions? [23:47] [Tomek-] aye [23:47] []]Miner[[] right now theres no benifit [23:47] [Malis] one dragon is no biggie its the gusy with 5 each now that are the proublem [23:47] [Zop|sleep] a robe [23:47] [Tomek-] just a 20 minute wait [23:47] [Qwerty] acually sony supposedly did that [23:47] [Qwerty] lol [23:47] [Zop|sleep] woopty do... [23:47] [Nieves] if they couldn't go to tram, they would have to shop in felucca making vendors in fel more profitable. [23:48] [MRev|GoD] i knoe that zop [23:48] []]Miner[[] right [23:48] [MRev|GoD] ahhh [23:48] [BTH-Thorin] yeah [23:48] [MRev|GoD] did not think of that [23:48] [Elric[D-I]] Here's an idea to top ALL ideas. If you are in a guild that wars, make it where they can't ride a mount!!!! [23:48] [MRev|GoD] :) [23:48] [MRev|GoD] i like that elric [23:48] [Lagwagon] naw thats not gonna fly [23:48] []]Miner[[] thats dumb elric [23:48] [MRev|GoD] that would so fun! [[23:48] [BTH-Thorin] dumb [23:48] [Galrahn] haha elric so much for etherals [23:48] [Elric[D-I]] oh yes [23:48] [Elric[D-I]] dumb because you couldn't ping away, right Thorin? [23:48] [Elric[D-I]] RUN! [23:48] [Zop|sleep] this is pretty stupid but... [23:48] [Malis] Nieves thank you for coming in and talking with us tonight [23:48] [Zop|sleep] heh [23:48] [Zop|sleep] how about [23:48] [Zop|sleep] like [23:48] [Lagwagon] besides whats it matte rif a factioner [23:48] [Nieves] well I got 2 more questions and I move on :) [23:48] [Zop|sleep] regulating everyones ping ? [23:48] [Malis] wish everyone could have been more civil though ;( [23:48] []]Miner[[] ya Nieves its cool that someone is taking the opinion of actual fel pvpers for once [23:49] [BTH-Thorin] yeah it is [23:49] [BTH-Thorin] thanx [23:49] [Nieves] Order Chaos...is it still good? How to make it better (that's one question) [23:49] [Sanguinarious] ;) [23:49] [Tomek-] Yea [23:49] [DS|ZT] lol.. we don't get that often.. [23:49] [BTH-Thorin] Yes [23:49] [To